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Archive for June, 2007

Now Taking Bets on Auto-Charging

Chris says:

RevolvingDork says:
Autocharges have not occured for the past few months. This was communicated through both the forums and mass-emails that were sent to all sellers. We are doing our best to make them happen this month by the 27th of this month, as stated in your bill emails.
Posted at 12:40 pm, June 20 2007 EST

“Autocharges have not occured for the past few months” = bills for the months of Jan - present have not been autocharged as far as I’m aware.

EDIT: our coverage to date on this issue.

Re-Birth of a Thread

In case you haven’t committed the lines to memory yet - as far as I can tell the only new text is the part I have bolded below:

RevolvingDork says:
Hi all,

On thursday night night we got caught up with all of the older listings that were not appearing in searches and the categories. After that, however, newly created listings were only appearing several hours after they were listed.

This is due to the system receiving far more listing updates than it can handle in a short period of time. We’re still working on optimizing this system so the delay between listing and appearing in searches is shortened, but it may take a few days. We hope to have it done sometime this week. Unfortunately, it’s a very complex problem, and as such is difficult to estimate a completion time.

In the meantime, listings will only appear in their categories several hours to several days after they are created. Please note that they will still appear in real time in your shop, the time machine, and listing tickers, and all other flash applications.

The site copy on the listing process has been updated to reflect this new delay.

Because the search cache is not being updated as quickly as it should be, you may see sold listings coming up in search and browser results. This is caused by the same problem, and will be fixed when the system is back up to speed.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused, and we will post updates as we make progress towards shrinking the lag between listing time and “searchable” time.
Posted at 12:35 pm, June 20 2007 EST

EDIT: Previous incarnations of this post can be viewed in posts of

June 16
June 18
June 19

Behavior In the Fora

Stellaloela explains about rules of the fora and consequences:

stellaloella says:
To clear the air a little on this hot button issue, I thought I’d give you a HUGE amount of information today.

Ideally, we’d love it if everyone could adhere to the rules of engagement we’ve laid out for the Forums: http://www.etsy.com/forums_guidelines.php (also outlined in the DOs & DON’Ts of Ety).

Unfortunately, that’s not always the case. We’re all human, we all make mistakes or let our tempers get out of control once in a while. But what good are rules if there are no consequences for breaking them? There’s a three step process involved in dealing with these matters. Here it is, laid out in full.

STEP 1: the lock

When a rule is broken on the Forum, the thread is locked as soon as possible. This is to stop the momentum of the violation. Threads are almost always ended by giving a reason for the lock. (In general, threads are not deleted. Deletion is a rare event that only happens in extreme cases.) In most cases, we let it end there since most broken rules are pretty minor or unintentional.

STEP 2: the letter

If a violation is abusive, or directly involved another member (such as insulting someone or fighting between members), then we issue a warning letter. The warning letter is standardized and explains how and where the rule was broken. If no further rule-breaking behavior occurs, then no further action is needed.

When there is a public dispute between two people, we’ll ask in the warning letter that the two parties involved cease all contact with the other person for a while: not posting in the same threads, no convos to each other, no purchases from each other. This is a temporary thing, to let emotions cool off.

We try our best to work with people and sort things out peacefully and respectfully at this stage. We don’t like having to take further measures, but sometimes it is necessary.

STEP 3: the mute

If, after receiving a warning letter, the member persists in their rule-breaking behavior, then we will mute their forum privileges temporarily. This is a group decision by several members of the staff. We take into account the severity of the violation, the member’s community history and the other parties involved. It is *not* an action lightly taken.

We instituted the Forum mute as a step between warning and all-out banning someone from Etsy (which previously was the only other option). Banning people from Etsy is contradictory to our mission of helping people make a living making things. But allowing abusive fighting on the Forums is not in line with our goal of building a friendly, supportive network of crafters and artists worldwide. Muting offers us a compromise between these two extremes.

Muting is meant to be a cooling off period for the user (especially if they were engaged in a fight or abusive behavior toward another member). It can last anywhere from a few days to indefinitely (which is very rare). We are always open to discussing the muting privately with the individual via email.

When one is muted from the Forums, their ability to post is suspended and their avatar is grayed-out in the Forums. They can still read the Forums, send Convos, buy & sell on Etsy, use the Treasury and all other site features. We made a conscious decision to only limit the site feature that was abused.

Avatars are grayed-out as a precautionary measure. This is not meant to “shun” anyone, just prevent them from using their avatar as an alternative to posting in the forums. Imagine if the muting was due to an on-going fight between MemberA and MemberB — MemberA could change their avatar to be an insult toward MemberB, thereby continuing the abuse for which they were muted. Graying it out prevents that. The altered avatar only appears in the Forums, not in shops or elsewhere on Etsy.

If once a muting has been lifted, the abusive behavior returns, we consider further action, such as re-muting or possibly banning the account. This is dependent on the severity of the bad behavior and its impact on the community. It’s extremely rare.

And that’s how it works.

Please note that each case is unique, and so this is a generalization of the process. Communication between members and staff may take things in a slightly different direction (ie. an apology, an explanation, hate mail to Etsy Support).

Keep in mind that warning letters and muting are private matters between Etsy’s staff and the user(s) involved. For confidentiality reasons, we will not discuss specific cases with anyone other than the individual(s) involved.

(I know this was really long. Thanks for making it to the end; the info is important.)
Posted at 4:14 pm, June 19 2007 EST

Two New Etsy Employees

In this thread, Stellaloella announces the hiring of two new Etsy staff members:

Hello, friends.

I’m very happy to introduce you to my two new Community teammates on the Etsy staff, AshleyJacobsen & sarawearsskirts. (You may recognize them as ashleywhitejacobsen and girlscantell!)

And please do check out this blog post for all the associated details: http://blog.etsy.com/?p=322

xoxo,
stellaloella

Do check out the blog post stella mentioned; it’s got a further explanation of what the two new team members will be doing in their new Etsy roles.

Site Down

What’s happening: We’re performing some emergency maintenance — back as soon as possible!

Estimated downtime: 2:15PM - 2:20PM EDT

5 minutes? I wish my oil change were that fast. :)

EDIT: And up.

Another Non-Update Update.

RD just posted another thread with the exact same language from yesterday. In other words - no news.

Update on Site Problems Soon? Not Really, As It Turns Out.

Vanessa says:
Hi everybody, I know the engineers are working on this. I’ll give a nudge to get an update.
Posted at 11:23 am, June 18 2007 EST

Not exactly news, but pre-news. :) Anyway, as soon as we see anything, we’ll post it.

EDIT:

At around noon today (EDT), RD made a post that was almost word-for-word what he posted on June 16th.

In other words - a no-update update. So, I posted pre-news for non-news. How embarrassing. :/

Stability Is Top Priority

Chris says:

We are working to make the site stable at all times — it’s our #1 priority at all times. Everyone who can help with this task is going so within Etsy, and the others who work in different sections are doing their own work. The flash stuff runs on a seperate server entirely from the rest of the site, so it does not affect the stability work.

UPDATED: Listings in Categories & Search

About the indexing / non-flash display delays:

RevolvingDork says:
Hi all,

On thursday night night we got caught up with all of the older listings that were not appearing in searches and the categories. After that, however, newly created listings were only appearing several hours after they were listed.

This is due to the system receiving far more listing updates than it can handle in a short period of time. We’re working on optimizing this system so the delay between listing and appearing in searches is shortened, but it may take a few days.

In the meantime, listings will only appear in their categories several hours to several days after they are created. Please note that they will still appear in real time in your shop, the time machine, and listing tickers, and all other flash applications.

The site copy on the listing process has been updated to reflect this new delay.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused, and we will post updates as we make progress towards shrinking the lag between listing time and “searchable” time.
Posted at 4:28 pm, June 16 2007 EST

[Editor added bolding above]

EDIT (about 8:30 p.m. EDT):
Looks like all the items listed 14-15 June have been indexed to the category displays and search.

Treasury

New version is out of beta:

jared says:
We’ve improved the Treasury. Take a look!

http://www.etsy.com/treasury.php

Here are some of the changes:
* new server side architecture (for great speed and reliability!)
* browser back button support
* previous / next buttons to move rapidly between lists
* enlarged pagination buttons
* silver star for those featured in a list’s alternates
* curator and featured badges in comments
* increased capacity to 222 lists
* visited lists indicated with lighter title text color
* precision expiration date shown
* server crashes will not loose list data
* improved card rearranging feature for curators
* comments limited to about 44
* did I mention it’s a whole lot faster!?

•Where are the avatars?
Many will notice that avatars are now missing from the lists while people are viewing them. We took these out for performance reasons. Displaying who was viewing a list in real-time is a computationally expensive operation. By taking this particular feature out, the speed of the Treasury has been improved significantly. You can still see how many people are in the list, and of course you can always leave a comment to show your face. :)

•Why does it reload each time I try to view a list or return to the index of lists?
This is expected behavior now. For performance and scalability reasons we’ve separated the index of lists from the lists themselves into two different pages. Moving back and forth requires that the page be loaded. While this approach may be just a bit slower for some, it should allow all the people who previously were unable to use the Treasury to now do so. Hurray!

•What happened to the old Treasury?
It’s resting comfortably in a beautiful field, feeding the daisies.

•What happened to an archive and unlimited comments?
We’re still working hard getting these two particular features completed. Expect them to show up later this month.

•This is good news, but I still have something to complain about!
Great! This version of the Treasury was a highly collaborative effort between the builders and the community. Continued feedback is always welcome! We’ll never be done making this site as good as it can possibly be. Please keep in mind that many many questions have been answered already in the forums. If you want to jump in that big old bus of knowledge, it’s a long one (with flames painted on the side):

part 1
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5120049

part 2
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5120413

part 3
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5122243

part 4
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5124663

part 5
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5127632

•I had a Treasury list in the beta and now it’s gone?
Yes, we’ve started fresh by deleting or otherwise naturally expiring all lists in both versions of the Treasury. The good news is that there are now 222 open spots!

For those that have helped in this renovation project, I can’t personally thank you enough for your help! Thank you!
Posted at 3:49 pm, June 16 2007 EST

. . .

For those who used the Treasury beta, it’s important you clear your cache or you’ll experience some strange (but harmless) peculiarities.

Most browsers let you clear your cache fast by holding down the SHIFT key and pressing the refresh button.

Look for v.4 on both the index of lists and the lists themselves. Thanks.
Posted at 3:52 pm, June 16 2007 EST

According to Chris, the Treasury operates on its own server so doesn’t affect the rest of the site’s operation.

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