Etsy sellers are reporting more problems resulting from “the great bill charge of 2007” (see UEN’s coverage here and here), including double charges and overdraft fees.
Sellers should check their credit card/bank statement to make sure their Etsy bills were not charged twice (see forum threads here and here). If there are duplicate charges, email billing@etsy.com
Sellers should also check to make sure their Etsy account is not linked to a closed bank account/debit card, because this could result in massive overdraft fees (see forum thread here).
EDIT by Soap:
People are posting about replies they received from billing@etsy.com:
Missbluebirdandoscar says:
Well apparently admin doesn’t believe there is a problem, they emailed me back saying they only see one charge at their end. They tried to tell me that it was an authorization charge, which makes no sense because the first charge went through yesterday and today there is a second charge of the same amount.Why would there been an authorization charge after the first one was completed???? Arrghhhh…
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SakinaNeedles says:
Billing told me that the problem was on the bank’s end, and I should talk to the bank. I called the bank, and it turned out Etsy sent through the authorization and the actual charge on two separate authorization numbers, which is why it showed up twice on my bank statement. The bank reversed the second set of charges and refunded the overdraft fees. But definately check your statements ASAP. With each month’s bill being charged separately, I got a $31 overdraft fee PER ETSY CHARGE. If the bank hadn’t reversed those I would be reeeeaaaally grumpy right now.
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Read the rest of the thread - people are posting about what their banks and PayPal have told them.
EDIT by Soap : LATEST UPDATE
A couple days ago we began to collect unpaid bills from Etsy sellers. It had been several months since we ran auto-charges, owing to difficulties with our old merchant account. So, we finally got our new merchant setup and after a substantial amount of time testing everything, we began our bill collection.
As we collected bills, two issues came up:
1. Charges appeared twice on some people’s cards.
2. Your credit card company called you and asked about charges from Etsy made on your card, and if they were valid.Let’s talk about each of these issues in turn.
1. Charges appearing twice
If you used a debit card (this included a PayPal card), the charges may have shown up twice. This is due to the way our new merchant provider processes debit card payments. They separate it into two halves: a request for funds and pulling the actual funds. Some banks show these as two separate transactions, deducting the amount twice (!) from your account. We’re working to figure out why on earth they did this.
We promise, we will not charge you twice. If we have to, we’ll walk over with cash in hand and pay you back.
2. A call from your credit card company
As we have just learned, if we attempt to run more than one charge on someone’s card in a single 24 hour span, the credit card company’s fraud alert system goes off. This means they call you and ask if the charges are OK to pay. Unfortunately they may have asked something like: “Did you make purchases with this card on Etsy yesterday?” And of course the charges on your card are not for purchases, but are the fees we charge for our service.
If you dispute the charge, it can end up in a chargeback, which is rather bad on our end. If your credit card company did call you, it would be a huge help if you could call them back and let them know that the charges are OK. (If you have any questions about the amounts, of course, please contact us first at billing@etsy.com.
What we are doing now
Because of the two issues, above, we have stopped running the auto-charge. We got about 1/2 the way through all sellers with unpaid bills before we stopped. If you look at your credit card statement and see no charges from Etsy, you were likely in the non-billed half.
It’s super important to us that we get this all sorted out, and every seller is treated fairly. We’ll get through this! We’re sorry for the confusion, and we now have a dedicated billing team to answer your questions. We’ll be providing phone support as well at (718) 855 7956. Please save phone calls for extra urgent support, because we only have 1 phone right now. We’ll be here from 10am - 6pm EST.
Love,
Etsyps. This blog post has been emailed to everyone whom we auto-billed.
(all bolding added by Soap)


August 3rd, 2007 at 8:07 pm
“Besides that, if this company that Etsy is using is really to blame, how the heck are they staying in business?”
I tend to agree. I have never heard of anything like this happening anywhere else. If this was happening left and right and this is Citibank’s way have conducting business you would think they wouldn’t be able to continue. I was expecting Etsy was using some no name company but Citibank is a well known name in the banking world. If they have a good reputation or not I don’t know but they ARE a big name bank. That had to happen somehow.
August 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 am
Why I think the explanation of the billing snafu does not add up (I posted this quick on the Etsy forum too, since they have yet to actually close my account):
Going back to my concerns, my opinon on the recent odd billing snafus is not completely uninformed. Please be aware that I did design work for most of our nations credit unions for 7+ years and spent many hours typesetting all the fine print. As well, I worked for a bank. Add to that the fact that my husband is employed by a software company that makes retail, warehouse, inventory, purchase processing, etc. software. So, quite honestly, the explanation of what happened made no sense either to myself or him. I can not say for certain that it is not the case. It is just something that neither he or I has ever seen, in the order of the transactions, the way it happened and the explanation of it.
Basically, things like what happened, just don’t happen unless something was billed twice. Especially with the gap in the dates. If it had been the same day, then perhaps. Besides that, if this company that Etsy is using is really to blame, how the heck are they staying in business? I just don’t think it all adds up. Just my opinion.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:31 pm
one of the problems that etsy has here is they keep blaming a company that THEY hired. My understand of the law is that as soon as they hire a company to act on their behalf, it is in effect the same as if Etsy itself did it. Claiming now that the company is really at fault and etsy did nothing is similar to saying: “i didn’t pull the trigger, i hired that guy to pull the trigger, NOT my fault someone died. His fault. He pulled the trigger.”
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:58 pm
“might’ve been caused” should be “was caused in some cases”
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pm
I do believe Etsy (like Lauren’s email) sincerely is remorseful, but I think they didn’t (and maybe still don’t) understand the actual damage that might’ve been caused. I just hope they can see past their own defensiveness to do a proper post-mortem to prevent similar events from happening.
Slightly related, do they not have a CFO or equivalent? I couldn’t tell what the Chas guy actually does from Rob’s MNC.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pm
“who is right” meaning technically “right.” Etsy’s processor may have been at fault but for an affected seller, who cares? There are 2 things that surely set people off quickly - not unreasonable or surprising - money and family. I’ve always understood that intuitively, but I guess it’s not common sense.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 pm
GreenMamba,
My feelings exactly. I would’ve handled the damage control slightly differently (and more pre-emptively) but I’m guessing none of them have encountered something this messy before or understood the ramifications - regardless of fault. A lot of PR is not about who is right but how to manage a situation, imo.